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 on: September 08, 2010, 05:43:44 PM 
Started by kyle - Last post by kyle
Guys, there has been some confusion on the events that are going to occur at the upcoming reunion.  I am going to post an email I got from Tom Brown that will help straighten things out.  This is from VA-82 and we have nothing to do with this at all.  I truly hope everyone that wants to come can attend.  Here is the email and please respond here so we can get this sorted out.  Thanks Kyle.

Hi Kyle,
 
As I think you are aware, we are very appreciative of all your efforts related to Streetcar 313 and our upcoming reunion. As a humble gesture to show our appreciation, we would like to invite a few of you to be our special guests at the VA-82 Reunion Banquet on Saturday, October 2, 2010. Specifically, we would like to invite you, Kregg, Jeff Wollford, and Linda Hill to be our guests along with your wives, girlfriends, mothers, fathers or anyone you deem appropriate. Just let me know names of those who will be able to attend and your guest's names. Ask them to go to the web site and register just as you and Linda did. They can also order shirts and hats at that time.
 
We would also like to invite Jeff Willhelm and a companion to be our guest. If he would agree to take a few photos during the evening event, that would be appreciated although it is not required.  I am sure we will have plenty of digital cameras handy but we just appreciate his help so much in documenting our journey for the Hook article and newspaper coverage and want to thank him in this small way.
 
If any of the other HAM volunteers would like to attend the banquet, we welcome them as long as dining room space allows. Just have them go to the web site and register. A payment of $30 per person for the banquet would be appreciated and in fact, if anyone would like to order shirts or hats, they can give me sizes when they register. They could then mail checks to me for the dinner, hats, or shirts.
 
I will ask you to pass out invitations to these folks and would appreciate it if you will have them registerand let me know names as soon as possible.

See you soon,

Tom

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 on: August 23, 2010, 08:36:33 PM 
Started by kyle - Last post by kyle
Kudos to Ed and Jim Rosamond and Brian Laws for getting the Aim-9 rails hung on the A-7!!  Katy is playing volleyball and that is my reason for not being there!!  The Aim-9 is on the A-7 now and it looks great!!  If we keep plugging we can get much done!  I encourage all members to come out on Thursday evenings and help out!!  This fall is turning out to be HUGE for us!!  Please help us get ready!!  There is STILL much to do!!

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 on: August 03, 2010, 07:17:39 PM 
Started by kyle - Last post by kyle
Thought I would share this email that I got from Mike "Pod" Foster who flew A-7s with VA-46.  This is from several guys but there is an excellent account from "Snuffy" Smith himself on dropping the Thanh Hoa Bridge!!  He will be here at the reunion!!  I can't relate how significant this was for our aircrews (all branches) that entered N. Vietnam's airspace on a regular basis!!  we have got to videotape Friday night's festivities!!   Kyle


Ted:
 
The first three stories are great and make for some interesting reading. I had heard some of what was in them, including the one about the C-130's. Talk about gutsy!!
 
Perhaps you'll be interested in a fourth and final chapter about "The Bridge", or, as the famous radio personality, Paul Harvey, used to say,  "the rest of the story."
 
In 1972 I was a Lcdr and the Ops O of VA-82 flying A7 Corsairs off the USS America. We had been scheduled for a Med cruise, to begin in June or July 1972, but about two weeks prior to departure, our destination was changed to the Tonkin Gulf. We arrived Yankee Station in mid summer. As has been stated in one of the stories, below, the USAF had, in May of 72, hit the western end of the bridge and dropped a part of that end of the bridge. I cannot attest to the fact that the NV completely repaired the bridge, but Intel suggested the bridge was still usable and it remained on the target list. It was assigned to us as a target to be struck on 4 Oct, 1972.
 
On that "Alpha Strike", which I planned, briefed and led, I headed up a flight of four A7's against the Bridge. Two of us carried the 2000 pound Fat Albert Walleye II; two others carried two each 2000 GP Bombs. The plan was to release the two Walleys simultaneously with both aimed at the center pier. The two A7's carrying the 2000 GP Bombs were to time their roll in and release so that their weapons hit the western span of the bridge shortly (very) after the walleyes hit. My theory was that if we got enough heavy ordnance hits as near simultaneously as possible, we actually had a chance to drop the damn bridge. During the Walleye delivery, my wingman, Ltjg Marv Baldwin, stayed tucked in pretty tight through roll in and, as pre briefed , got a bit of separation as we began the glide towards the target. Marv transmitted "lock on" when he had a good Walleye lock on his aim point. I had a good lock so counted down from 3 to 1 then called for release. Marv and I pickled at almost at the same time. Unfortunately, my walleye went stupid (I think it was hit by 37 MM right after it left the a/c). Marv's weapon hit pretty close to his aim point but my walleye and the other weapons missed. Clearly we were disappointed but not to worry!! We would go again!
 
The next day, the bridge again appeared on the target for a strike to be conducted on 6 Oct. Since I had done the one on the 4th, I was assigned to brief the strike for the 6th. Our CAG, Jim Joy, led the Flak suppression part of the strike and our Skipper, Don Sumner led our four plane A7 division. Once again, Marv Baldwin was on my wing; the skipper had Ltjg Jim Brister with him. Marv and I had the Fat Alberts and the skipper and Jim carried the 2000 pounders. We planned the same tactic but this time we came in from the south.. As Marv and I prepared to roll in from about 15K feet, Don and Jim hauled ass west to their roll in position. Marv was again tucked in tight and we rolled into about a 30 degree dive, reduced power and popped speed brakes so we had a bit more time in the run. That was a seriously dedicated maneuver!!  Marv got locked up very quickly and called same. I was also locked on, so began the countdown to release. We pickled the two walley simultaneously. Both of our Fat Alberts hit the aim point with Marv's hitting the center pier. Don and Jim released their bombs so that they hit damn near at the same time as our Walleys. The whole place was covered in smoke and dust so we really could not tell what damage we might have caused. We did what was "normal" and headed "feet wet"! After everyone was safely over the water, Don flew back towards the bridge to see if the dust had cleared enough to get BDA. Despite flying nearly directly over the bridge, he could not determine what, if any, damage we had inflicted.
 
Fast forward to the afternoon strike: A gaggle hit a target up in the Hanoi area and our Viggie recce guys were tasked to do a photo run for BDA following that strike. The pilot, Wes Rutledge, knew that we had struck the bridge a bit earlier in the day (we had the mid day strike) so decided to make a run by the bridge on his way to feet wet. He returned with photos but none of us in my group knew anything about them. About 1830, I got a call from the CAG AI down on IOIC suggesting that I come down as he had something he thought I might want to see. I arrived to a crowded room and a huge photo of the bridge with the pier buckled and the western span broken and in the water!  What a beautiful sight.
 
The CARGRU then was RADM Jack (Big Coolie) Christensen. When he saw the photos, he called and invited all four of us Corsair drivers to his cabin to congratulate us. I will never forget what he said when we were all assembled. He said, "I been waiting for seven "expletive deleted" years for this. It is "expletive deleted" beautiful!!! I love the guy!!!
 
I have no way of verifying any of the three previous stories but I do know that "The Bridge" was a thorn in our sides for years. I always figured some lucky guy would knock it over with a well placed MK 76 but was mighty happy to be part of the four plane strike on October 6th, 1972 that, in the words from the award, "... post strike photography confirmed that this vital link and frequently struck target had at last been completely severed and rendered useless to the enemy."
 
One picture is worth a thousand words!! Photo attached
 
Snuffy
 
In a message dated 7/28/2010 5:09:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Efbronson@aol.com writes:
 
 
Subj: FW: Thanh Hoa Bridge
 
Thanks to Nick

 

My experiences & memories regarding the Thanh Hoa Bridge are not good!. I joined VA-146 in Oct. ’65, 2 mos. before we deployed on RANGER. Several weeks after arriving, we had a change of command, with CDR Hubert Loheed relieving CDR Bill Harris. Being new in the Sqdn., I didn’t know the new Skipper, he seemed fine & pleasant…but I soon learned that he was totally obsessed with the desire to knock out the TH Bridge. I had learned that on his own time and his “own dime”, somehow obtained structural blueprints of the bridge. He then hired a civilian Structural Engineer to determine where and how it would have to be hit, to drop a span(s). He never discussed it openly (among the JOs), and I only learned about it when the Ops Off. mentioned casually on the way to WestPac. I recall thinking that I’d like to go on that mission!

 

We arrived on Dixie in mid Jan ’66 & after 2 weeks of CAS on Dixie, steamed north to Yankee Station launching our first strikes in Rt. Package 2/3 on 1 Feb. ’66. Sadly CDR Loheed was KIA that first day. Hit near Thanh Hoa (on a road recce not on or close to the bridge); in a dive from which he never recovered or ejected. The only time I “went to the “Dragon’s Jaw” was in the summer of ’66 when I went along on an Alfa strike in an A-4C section carrying 2 Bullpup B (500# ea.). We both hit the bridge roadway on both shots. No visible damage except for black burnspots. The flak was merciless & we were lucky to get out with no losses. It wasn’t too much for us after that, I think they realized that our available weapons weren’t BIG enough & the loss rate was too high. Also the “Baby Bullpup B” was abandoned after that in favor of the new (2000#) Bullpup C, a real Bear, but I never got to use it on the TH Bridge (I don’t think it would have worked either – not big enough!)

 

Incidently, my friend & Sqdnmate, then LT John “Mike” McGrath, was shot down in July ’67 while bombing the Thanh Hoa Bridge. He was a POW & returned safely in 1973.

 

              Regards to all, and thanks for the trip down Memory Lane (or is it Nightmare Alley?) Lol     Hugh

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Nick

Subject: Thanh Hoa Bridge

 

Here's some excerpts from an article I wrote for Flight Journal 
magazine a few years ago.

While writing I researched the various existing histories about the 
bridge and found some interesting stuff.

"The French built this concrete and steel truss bridge during their 
92-year stay in Indochina. In 1945, nine years before the French 
departed, Ho Chi Minh’s Viet Minh cleverly destroyed it by slamming 
two explosive-laden locomotives together, head-on, in the middle of 
it. The French left in 1954 following their defeat at Dien Bien Phu. 
In 1957, the North Vietnamese rebuilt the bridge so that it was 
stronger than ever. This rugged, resilient two-span structure, which 
the Vietnamese called the “Dragon’s Jaw,” was only two football 
fields long and three narrow lanes wide. Between 1965 and 1972, when 
the Americans replaced the French as the problem for North Vietnam, 
they had added eight concrete piers near the approaches to limit the 
potential for major damage by U.S. Navy and Air Force bombs."

"More than four years later, on May 17, 1972, USAF F-4Ds at last 
wiped out one span with 2,000-pound Paveway TV-guided bombs. The 
North Vietnamese repaired it quickly, so Navy A-4s nailed it again on 
October 6 that year, using 2,000-pound Walleye TV-guided missiles. 
Nonetheless, the bridge stood from April 1965 through May 1972 and 
withstood more than 850 Navy and USAF sorties before the end of the 
war. In all, U.S. air power lost 104 aircraft trying to drop the 
Thanh Hoa Bridge—a startling 12 percent loss rate."

The USAF even tried dropping the bridge using C-130s in Operation 
Carolina Moon.

"The time was September 1965. U.S. Air Force and Navy planes had been 
bombing selected targets in North Vietnam for almost six months. Most 
of the worthwhile targets had been destroyed - except for two 
bridges, one of which spanned the Song Ma River at a place known to 
the Vietnamese as "The Dragon's Jaw," a bridge the Americans knew as 
The Thanh Hoa Bridge. In the USAF Weapons Laboratory at Eglin AFB, 
Florida a new concept to mass-focus the power of explosives had been 
developed. The new weapon was seen as ideal for attacks on targets 
such as the Thanh Hoa Bridge. But, there was a problem - the only 
airplanes in the Air Force inventory that could deliver the weapons 
were transports.

In early 1966 two C-130 crews from the Tactical Air Command Wing at 
Sewart AFB, Tennessee, newly desginated as the 64th Troop Carrier 
Wing, were picked to go to Eglin to train to deliver the new weapons.

Majors Richard Remers and Thomas Case led their crews through a 
training program to develop a delivery system for the 5,000 pound 
pancake-shaped weapons.

Since the Thanh Hoa Bridge was one of the most heavily defended 
targets in all of North Vietnam, an upstream delivery of the floating 
weapons into the river was considered to be the best option to allow 
the crews to survive. On May 15, 1966 the two crews left the United 
States for Da Nang. Ten weapons were carried aboard the two C-130Es, 
along with the necessary maintenance and weapons specialists. The 
team arrived at Da Nang on May 22. After a week of preparation, the 
mission was set for the night of May 30. Major Remers crew was chosen 
for the first mission, with Major Case to back them up in the event 
the bridge did not go down. Major Remers and his crew, including 
copilot Lt. Tom Turner, navigators Capt. Norman Clanton and Lt. Rocky 
Edmondson, FE MSgt John R. Shields and loadmasters SSgt Aubrey Turner 
and A3C Johnny Benoit, took off from Dan Nang shortly after midnight 
and headed up the coast of North Vietnam at 100 feet. At a specified 
point, Remers took up a course to cross the North Vietnamese coast 
and fly a 43-mile long course overland to the bridge. They would be 
over hostile territory for 17 minutes.

As they approached the bridge, the C-130 had attracted no enemy fire. 
Remers elected to pass over the first planned release point and press 
on for another that was closer to the bridge. They had climbed to 400 
feet and slowed to 150 knots, with the rear cargo door and ramp in 
the aerial delivery position. After crossing the first point, the 
crew encountered the first ground fire of the evening, but it was 
fortunately inaccurate. The crew dropped the five weapons in the 
river, then Remers banked sharply to the right and dove back down to 
100 feet as they egressed out of the target area and back to the 
safety of the South China Sea. They headed back to Da Nang and a cold 
beer and bottle of champagne.

The next morning photoreconaissance pictures showed that the bridge 
was still standing. Major Case and his crew still had five weapons, 
so another mission was scheduled for his crew that night. At the last 
minute before take-off, Case asked Lt. Edmondson to go along on the 
mission with his crew since he had been on the flight the night before.

Major Case and his crew took off at 0110, ten minutes late and almost 
an hour later than Major Remers had taken off the night before. After 
clearing the Da Nang airport area, the crew began radio silence and 
turned north. They were never heard from again.

A flight of two F-4s was scheduled to for a diversionary mission near 
the bridge. As it turned out, one of the F-4s was also lost, but the 
returning crew reported that at the designated time for the C-130 
drop, they had seen antiaircraft fire and a large ground flash in the 
vicinity of the Thanh Hoa Bridge.

During the interrogation of a North Vietnamese PT boat crewmen 
sometime later, intelligence personnel learned that a large aircraft 
had dropped five mines in the river in May, 1966. Four of the five 
had exploded, but the bridge had not been damaged. Not long after he 
returned to Tennessee, Major Remers saw Japanese news film of North 
Vietnamese parading aircraft parts through a city, parts he 
recognized as having come from a C-130. The news account stated that 
none of the Americans on board the airplane had survived. The bridge 
itself remained standing for six years, until it was finally knocked 
from its supports by new generation guided-bombs in the spring of 1972.

Pete Purvis
25 July 2010

[Pete's photos are at www.F8Driver.org click on #2687.]
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 on: July 22, 2010, 06:07:29 PM 
Started by ER - Last post by ER
thanks to all who have been attending. Now we are finally getting something done. If the guy can get the section soda blasted this weekend, we`ll have a bondo slinging party next week!

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 on: July 18, 2010, 04:38:16 PM 
Started by ER - Last post by ER
6pm

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 on: July 17, 2010, 09:11:21 PM 
Started by ER - Last post by kyle
I can help on Thursday evenings!! 

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 on: July 15, 2010, 06:17:29 AM 
Started by administrator - Last post by administrator
If you would like to add something to the calendar, look for the "calendar" link above.  This can work for scheduling volunteers too, by adding a new event on the day that you need volunteers.  These events will also appear in the forum section so that it will be easy to keep up with them.

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 on: July 15, 2010, 06:11:34 AM 
Started by administrator - Last post by administrator
This is a sample event in the calendar.  If you add something to the calendar, it should also appear as a post.

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 on: July 11, 2010, 07:31:11 AM 
Started by ER - Last post by ER
Guys, since the Friday morning work parties didn`t work out, we`re gonna try an evening one. We need help on the F14 cockpit section. Anyone who is willing to help, please contact me at ere99@att.net and we`ll see what best fits everyone`s schedule. Right now I`m leaning towards Thurs evenings, but we`ll see when we can get the biggest turnout. We may can arrange a couple of nights per week. Also, Saturday mornings would be helpful as well.

Should someone else desire to step in and reorganize this effort, by all means have at it. I will gladly turn over the reigns to you. It needs to be completed before this October.

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 on: July 09, 2010, 10:19:01 PM 
Started by kyle - Last post by kyle
I wanted to post this e-mail I got from Cleo Mason concerning our Tuskeegee Day. Seems the wheels are in motion and we will relay any information after the conference call on Monday.

-Kyle


Hi Kyle,
 
I haven't forgot about you.  I took your information to our last chapter meeting June 26th and let the membership know about it.  A couple of days after receiving you email, David Walker contacted our president Roy White and I was asked to be the spokesman for the chapter.  I have been in touch with David Walker and we have arranged a thirty minute conference call between David, your museum president, and the director of the Hickory Museum of Art, along with myself and Vernon Robinson who is the son of an original Tuskegee Airmen and former city council member of Winston-Salem.  Vernon was instrumental in "Tuskegee Airmen" the P-51C of the Commemorative Air Force's Minnesota Wing being at the Winston Salem Air show of 2001.  I be in touch after the telephone conference on Monday.
 
Cleo




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